Wise Yet Harmless

I was just reading this section of the Doctrine and Covenants.

How interesting that the "grand keys" the prophet refers to are for the purpose of discernment in communications with non-mortals, but do not involve listening to any confirming spirit. Rather, the prophet provides a means of obtaining hard evidence as to the nature and origin of a messenger.

I guess that means that discernment involves more than sensitivity to the Holy Ghost.

How interesting also that this instruction was considered important enough to include in canonized scripture. I'm not going to ask if any of you have ever had cause to apply it, but doesn't its inclusion seem to imply that it will be needed by various members? Perhaps we should be trying to cultivate the ministering of angels. We do, after all, have the keys.

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Th. said…
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Well, I guess I'll save my comment on Dr Theric's great new site about peanut butter for another time.

But I think we do underunderstand the ministry of angels. Time to reread Elder Holland's recent talk on the subject and Elder Oaks's from about a decade ago.
Theric, how can you hint at a site about peanut butter and then leave me hanging like that? It's just cruel.

I only have one question: creamy or chunky?

As to your other hints, I'll have to look into those too.

Thanks.
Anonymous said…
I teach the Priest's Quorum every other Sunday, and so I'm constantly discussing the ministering of angels. However, sadly, I've noticed that they don't really care. It doesn't seem to be half as "cool" (or relevant) as baptizing, conferring the Aaronic priesthood, or administering the sacrament, etc. It's just too hard for them to make the conceptual leap from their ever-present physical/temporal duties and the possibility of drawing upon the assistance of (mostly) unseen beings.

And at 16 years old, I don't blame them. I think of myself as their age and, admittedly, I wasn't thinking about angels much either. But I do think if we're going to revolutionize our thinking about and access to angels in the Church, we should probably start with the Aaronic Priesthood--as it seems to be one of their chief opportunities or responsibilities (or stewardships?). Just thinking...

Oh, and here's an older talk from Elder Holland (1996) that has some good discussion on angels:

http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=63b2de3e3559b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1

Merry Christmas to you and your family!


PS: Thanks, again, for your blogging advice. As of yesterday, I'm trying to get back into it...

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necrodancer said…
First, although the subject taught in Section 129 is still relevant, it seems almost to be more apropos for or specific to those living at the time of Joseph Smith, if you consider how many people claimed to have received their own visits and revelations. Many of which were deceived, leading others away from the gospel as it was restored through Joseph Smith. Even today this same pattern exists. A cursory search on the internet will reveal more than a few who believe they've received revelation that is contrary to what we've received through the brethren.

We talked a bit about ministering angels and Elder Holland's talk in Priesthood this past Sunday. I found the discussion to be rather insightful but more particularly the words of the Apostle that suggests we're not fully recognizing those experiences. Since we certainly have the keys of the ministering of angels, we should be seeking to fully utilize those promises inherent to those keys.

It is significant to understand that "the devil" can appear "as an angel of light" - deception at the greatest height. I think this point is just as important as whatever else is discussed in this section.
Jacob said…
I'm not sure how to apply those keys to the revelation of the Spirit and vice versa. But it's food for thought. Thanks!

Jake
Tyler said…
I agree with Adam, Th. It's not fair to hint at sites devoted to peanut butter if you're not going to go all the way...
Tyler said…
Adam:

My response ran a little long, so I posted it here. Thanks for the inspiration...
Sorry it took so long to get all your comments published, everyone. I'm new to this moderation thing, but I've been getting a (relative) lot of spam here.

Anyway, I agree completely, NecroDancer. I know people who have claimed to see ministering spirits of one variety or another. I personally have felt the influence of others from the unseen world. Contrasting your comment with Tyler's (the first Tyler), I wonder why the ministering of angels apparently is so relevant, but doesn't seem to be to some of us. I particularly appreciate your point about not fully recognizing such ministrations (I have a project on the backburner that deals with this subject from the perspectives of both the minister and the ministered to). What "grand keys" are there that can help us in this regard?
The rest of you, thanks for your comments. Tyler (the second) I've placed my response to your response on your blog.
Th. said…
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Since this posted, my EQ did Elder Holland's talk on angels for Teaching for Our Times and in response, I posted this.

And now I'm off to read Tyler.

(Note: I prefer chunky in most circumstances, but the beautiful new creamy we buy has won me over.)
I've read yours, Th. We all seem to have the same things on our minds, don't we?

P.S. I'm a chunky guy, too. Don't read too much into that. :)

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